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Cash for Clunkers is a Loser

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Published: 27 August 2009
Cash for Clunkers is a Loser

August 25, 2009 was the last day of President Obama’s Cash for Clunkers program, inspired by the Consumer Assistance to Recycle and Save Act.  As I drove through a major shopping area that day, I passed a large and highly successful Toyota dealer.  Just past the sparkling showroom and sparsely populated lot of new cars was a securely fenced half-acre field containing clunkers.  There among the older Chryslers, Buicks, and Chevys were stout Ford F-150 pickups, Jeep Wagoneers, and a few other almost-indestructible vehicles.  Along with these, some still-shiny two- or three-year-old gas-sippers stood in the ranks of the condemned, awaiting the injection that would freeze their engines and reduce the entire machine to scrap.

These were the recently traded clunkers whose owners were “nudged” by federal policy to accept a handsome payment from the rest of us for ridding the nation of older, more heavily carbon-emitting vehicles and replacing them with shiny new machines that required a lot of energy to produce but would, on average, yield lower carbon exhaust and greater fuel efficiency.  The clunker statute gave consumers $3,500 vouchers if they purchased vehicles that yielded a four-to-nine mpg improvement in fuel economy, and $4,500 if the yield was ten or more mpg.

In all, according to Bloomberg, some $2.88 billion in tax money was provided to those who together purchased some 700,000 vehicles made up of the popular Ford Focus, Toyota Corolla, Camry, and Prius, along with some Hummers and Ford F-150 and F-250 trucks.  These and a wide variety of other cars and trucks moved quickly from dealer lots to the homes of the blessed. In fact, the speed of the transactions was more than government could handle.  The program was wildly popular.

Taken together the average fuel economy of vehicles traded in was 15.8 miles per gallon, while the average for the clunker replacements was 24.9 miles per gallon.  And according to Ford Motor Company, this kind of fuel-economy improvement translates to a reduction of five to ten million barrels of oil consumed over the next five years. (The nation currently consumes nine million barrels a day.)  This will be oil that some other people can enjoy.

President Obama cheerfully termed the program “successful beyond anybody’s imagination.”  Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood, who administered the program, said the effort was “a lifeline to the automobile industry, jump starting a major sector of the economy and putting people back to work.”  LaHood quickly added that while all this happened, “[W]e’ve been able to take old, polluting cars off the road and help consumers purchase fuel-efficient vehicles.”  Economist John Lott surmised that “Only in Washington could a program that is spending money 13 times faster than was planned be labeled a ‘success.’”

In their sober assessment of the program, the Obama Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) found that the program will spur the economy for months as the auto industry gears up to replace inventories and meet growing demand.  Putting all this into numbers, the CEA estimates Cash for Clunkers will raise third-quarter GDP by 0.3 to 0.4 percentage points and lift total employment by 42,000 jobs by the end of 2009.

While the clunker program has been hugely successful in the eyes of Obama administration officials, the auto industry, and the consumers who received transfers from the rest of us, there is serious doubt that the program is all that successful when final costs are counted.  The doubt arises for at least three reasons.  First, the program was supported politically primarily for its much touted environmental benefits.  Carbon emissions would be reduced.  But the reduction costs are at least ten times higher than alternate ways of removing carbon.  Second, there is Bastiat’s parable of the broken window to consider. And third, there is a serious matter of eroding social norms for conserving wealth.  A crushed clunker with a frozen engine is lost capital.

Let’s consider each of these points briefly.

University of California-Berkley economist Christopher Knittel has developed a rigorous assessment of the implied cost of carbon emissions under the clunker program. (“The Implied Cost of Carbon Dioxide Under the Cash for Clunkers Program” [pdf], Center for the Study of Energy Markets, Berkeley, The University of California Energy Institute.) Knittel made plausible assumptions about the average life remaining in vehicles removed from the road, the average fuel economy associated with those vehicles, and the resulting levels of carbon emission that would have survived in the absence of clunkers.  Eventually, of course, the clunkers would have died a natural but less dramatic death.  Knittel then estimated the carbon reduction gained when the large fleet of clunkers was replaced by a new fuel-efficient fleet.  When he ran the numbers, Knittel found the cost per ton of carbon reduced could reach $500 under a set of normal values for critical variables.  The cost estimate was $237 per ton under best case conditions.   And what does this tell us?  The much celebrated Waxman-Markey cap-and-trade carbon-emission control legislation estimates the cost of reducing a ton of carbon to be $28 when done across U.S. industries.  Yes, we are getting carbon-emission reductions by way of clunker reduction, but we are paying a pretty penny for it.

Frédéric Bastiat’s brilliant parable of the broken window reminds us that a street hoodlum throwing a brick through a window generates a series of job-generating transactions that might raise GDP by a trivial amount, if it could be measured.  Indeed, the idea seems so compelling that people today often speak of the silver lining found in the clouds that create hurricanes.  Think of the roofers that become employed.  But Bastiat’s key lesson is that a window has been destroyed—and it had value.  Before touting the total benefits of clunkers, we must take account of the destroyed vehicles and engines that represented part of the wealth of the nation.  As Tony Liller, vice president for Goodwill, put it:  “They’re crushing these cars, and they’re perfectly good.  These are cars the poor need to buy.”

Finally, over the eons, human communities have contrived all kinds of devices to transmit critical survival skills and compatible behavioral norms.  One of these has to do with conservation of wealth.  “Waste not, want not,” we are told.  “A penny saved, is a penny earned,” we are reminded.  Using politics to pay people who destroy valuable vehicles, or to hold crops off the market, or to produce ethanol that may use more energy in production than it adds when burned, teaches a lesson of anti-matter and wealth destruction.  When all these considerations are made, Cash for Clunkers sounds like a sorry idea that should not be the model for future policy.

Let’s stop Cash for Refrigerators before the idea spreads further.

Bruce Yandle (yandle@bellsouth.net) is Alumni Distinguished Professor of Economics Emeritus, Clemson University; Distinguished Adjunct Professor of Economics, Mercatus Center, George Mason University; and senior scholar, PERC. He is coauthor with Andrew P. Morriss and Andrew Dorchak of Regulation by Litigation (Yale Press, 2008).

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  1. In addition, Bruce, you might point out that the political support for the program follows your “Baptist and Bootleggers” idea.

  2. When we try to do the final analysis of cash for clunkers, let’s not forget to factor in what it cost car repair shops, auto parts stores, used car dealers and car donation charities. In the end, all that happened was we robbed Peter to pay Paul and destroyed 700,000 running cars!

  3. Cars4, I just a few hours left a car at my independent garage for repairs and things were slow. My wife and I were speculating how much it might be due to more unintended results of stupid government actions. If I lose my trusted, good, less expensive garage I will be torqued, pun intended.

  4. [...] Bruce Yandle does a great job analyzing “Cash for Clunkers.“  (HT Rob Raffety) [...]

  5. “…shiny new machines that required a lot of energy to produce but would, on average, yield lower carbon exhaust…”

    But we don’t know this. The new vehicles might yield less carbon exhaust per mile, but that’s not the same as yielding less carbon exhaust.

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  7. The “Cash for Clunkers” program is just one more example of a Governmental welfare program. I can’t wait for he unintended consequences to begin to be seen.

  8. To extend on Bastiat’s point, we should also keep in mind “that which is not seen”… how the $3bn for the program would have been spent… since this is coming from tax revenue, we are not seeing (and can never measure) all of the economic activity that is not taking place because of Cash for Clunkers. (i.e. the less I’m taxed, the more I have to spend on apples, computers, movie tickets, whatever) It’s easy to measure the new cars, but impossible to measure the true cost of the program (the economic activity that does not take place because of the program).

  9. While this assessment clearly shows that cash for clunkers was not an effective way of reducing emissions or stimulating the economy, we should not conclude that a tax cut of the same amount of money would solve the problem.

    The government was naively trying to cut foreign oil dependence by reducing consumption, and consequently reducing emissions. The idea that a tax cut would further the goals set out here is wrong; it might spur some consumer spending, but there would be much less chance that the goal of raising the country’s mpg average would be realized.

  10. It all reminds me of an old Heinlein novel, “The Door into Summer”, in which the hero finds himself in a future US. Lacking up-to-date skills, he is assigned a job crushing brand-new cars fresh from the production line. When he questions his foreman he gets a muddled explanation about unions, quotas, and “Oh hell, just crush the damned cars!” We are astoundingly close to that absurdity from a 1950′s sci-fi story.

  11. The study by Knittel cited in this article is deeply flawed, as it assumes all the old cars traded in were operating at the fuel efficiency they had when they were new. This makes the study, and therefore the claims of this article about carbon cost, bogus.

    I’m sure the Windstar that Charlie Pyles described above wasn’t getting anything like its EPA rating, with a bum transmission, exhaust system, and who knows what else.

    It’s amazing how so-called experts can try to pull the wool over your eyes, while making some of the most basic errors in their initial assumptions. It’s good to know that Mr. Knittel and Mr. Yandle are here to spread FUD without doing their homework first. Looks like this time they ended up looking dumber than the government economists they like to lampoon.

  12. Ian,

    Little homework is needed to prove the failure of Cash for Clunkers. Bruce Yandle has sited the “Broken Window Fallacy”. The argument is completely relevant. I suggest you do some homework.

    Broken Window Fallacy”,

    Destroying capital wealth does not somehow create new and additional wealth. It wastes wealth as resources have to be consumed to replace the wealth that was there before. That means further misallocation of resources in a direction where the natural market would not have otherwise gone.

    Destroying our property does not make us rich, even if done voluntarily.

    I recommend you reading “Economics in One Lesson” by Henry Hazlitt. He goes into good detail on this.

  13. Hey ‘filc’,

    Way to go not responding to my argument, but rather using a strawman. I’m not sure if you noticed, but I was responding to the first of Mr. Yandle’s three arguments, not the other two.

    But since you bring up the destruction of assets, you would probably be interested in the fact that the assets are not being destroyed, but sold off as parts or recycled into valuable raw materials.

    Furthermore, the fallacy of the broken window assumes an involuntary loss of property which requires an expenditure to replace it, resulting in not being able to spend that money on other things. This is different, it just means that people that were planning to get rid of their old cars anyway are doing it earlier than they had planned.

    Of course, the entire argument is a fraud anyway, since it makes the assumption that the point of the CfC program was either A) to reduce carbon emissions for the lowest price, or B) to make us ‘rich’, whatever the heck that means in this context.

    As for the third argument, it’s so insane it really isn’t worth my time to argue.

    -Ian

  14. Oh, and before I forget, <a href:="http://news.google.com/news/more?ned=us&cf=all&ncl=dTQhCqXOu3h2ikMf8fiewHbWojGbM&quot; have a look at this. Hey wait! It looks like CfC might have actually had its intended effects!

    But please, don’t let me interrupt your willful intellectual dishonesty.

  15. Ian,
    My large 3.5L V6 1994 Chrysler New Yorker, with 220,000 miles on it, was getting around 21mpg in the city and around 30mpg on the highway up to the point when I traded it in. It may have gotten a mile or two more per gallon when new, but not much.

  16. Good for you Jason.

    According to the government, you are quite exceptional in that regard. Keep it up!

  17. You may have heard of the government’s new “Cash for Clunkers” program but do you know all the facts?

    Friday, August 21, 2009 Update: Informed sources are projecting that the total $3 billion directed to Cash for Clunkers will be fully expended by Monday and the program will be winding down at that point. Some projections indicate that 700,000 new car sales, including a Cash for Clunkers component, are on the books or will be by Monday. There’s some talk of more funding for Cash for Clunkers, but with congress out of session until after labor day, that can not be immediate. Naturally, it will be some months before the car dealers themselves are fully reimbursed for qualified Cash for Clunkers purchases through the program.

    Proponents call it a win win for the environment and the economy and the charities we represent indicate that a slow down in car donation proceeds (if any) has not been as severe as some had initially projected. Volume of car donations for us has been flat and a modest 7.5% decline in gross resale prices of donated cars seems to be the average.

    Cash for Clunkers (the Car Allowance Rebate System act, also known as CARS), was recently passed by congress and signed by President Obama. It is an innovative new program designed to get gas-guzzling cars off the roads and motivate people to drive more fuel efficient cars. It is intended to replace older vehicles with new ones that are safer and pollute less. Supporters claim it will help jump-start auto sales and the U.S. economy, while also providing environmental benefits and increasing energy security.

    How it works: to be eligible for $3,500 or $4,500 worth of federal money (some terms vary for trucks).

    * Your vehicle must be less than 25 years old on the trade-in date
    * Only the purchase or lease of new vehicles will qualify you for the federal funding
    * Trade-in vehicles must get 18 miles or less per gallon
    * Vehicles must be in driving condition, plus registered and insured for the full year prior to the trade-in
    * The bill is intended to be a boost to struggling car dealers and anybody who wants a new compact or hybrid, and to help the environment, and who wouldn’t support that? Unfortunately, this legislation won’t help everyone. Here are some reasons that will prevent many people from taking advantage of the Cash for Clunkers program:

    The gas mileage rates are so low that only very poor mileage cars like SUVs or trucks will qualify. Those who do qualify have to buy or lease a new car to get the money; just getting rid of an old junker gets you nothing with Cash for Clunkers. If the value of your trade in is more than $3,500 or $4,500 then you don’t get any additional money from the government.

    The Cash for Clunkers legislation, as originally written, covered “approved” clunker vehicles for new car purchases from July 1st to November 1, 2009. For technical reasons re-determining what cars would qualify, the start date was subsequently delayed from July 1st to July 24th. Car dealers and legislators were all very surprised at the huge initial response such that by midnight, July 30th, the program was halted given the projection that the initial one billion dollars of funding had been all used up by vehicle purchases that are already in the system. The House of Representatives acted very quickly and the next day, July 31st (the last day of the congressional session prior to the August recess) passed a two billion dollar refunding of Cash for Clunkers. The Senate, with the same extraordinary speed, passed the same bill, Thursday, August 6th barely a couple hours before they also went on summer recess at midnight. Now, President Obama has signed it and the program can be restarted very soon. Stay tuned to this site for breaking news on this topic. Some proponents suggest that even with the additional two billion dollars in funding that the program will again run out of money long before November and that additional funding should be provided.

    Fortunately, if you don’t meet all the criteria for getting the Cash for Clunkers payout, you still have other good options for getting rid of your old car. Vehicles that don’t qualify for Cash for Clunkers are still ideal car donations. When you donate cars, trucks, vans, RVs, boats or even real estate you get rid of your unwanted property, help a non-profit of your choice, and itemizing taxpayers get a write-off.

    Hundreds of charities do invaluable work all across the country, and car donation funds are an important part of their revenue stream. Pete Palmer, co-founder of The Vehicle Donation Processing Center, Inc., states that his company “assists more than 400 charities who do great work and depend on car donation to pay for it. We handle it for them and in so doing we’ve put more than sixty million dollars in their hands — net-net, after all expenses were paid. Every penny of that sixty million dollars went to charities for their charitable missions.”

    Now during tough economic times many people want to take advantage of every opportunity for a little extra income, however some Cash for Clunker qualifiers might find the extra dollars are outweighed by other benefits of donating a vehicle to a charitable organization via one of the reputable car donation organizations.

    * You will feel good about helping a worthwhile cause
    * Some car donation companies offer free vehicle pick-up
    * Many will take any vehicle, running or not
    * Plus the tax write-off for itemizing taxpayers.
    * And to thank you for deciding to donate your car to charity, instead of participating in the Cash for Clunkers program — when you donate your car to one of our 400+ fine charities — just tell your operator you’d like the $300 Free Grocery or Gasoline Rebate when you make arrangements with us for the free car donation pick up.

    A vehicle donation political coalition is reaching out to Congress to get a bill passed that makes car donation even more attractive. The passage of U.S. House of Representatives Resolution 571 will help the situation by reinstituting some of the tax benefits for vehicle donation to charities which were withdrawn by Congress in 2004. Accompanied by the economic downturn, those limitations have resulted in an average 52% reduction in vehicle donations according to industry sources. Currently, taxpayers are only allowed to deduct the fair market value up to a maximum of $500 or what the charity sells the car for, whichever is greater. Under HR 571 taxpayers would be allowed to ascertain and deduct the Fair Market Value up to $2500 for their car donation, and the appraised value over $2500. As of the end of June this bill is showing promise and has been co-sponsored by twenty Representatives from both sides of the aisle and every region of the country.

    It’s important for the public to realize that Cash for Clunkers is not the best answer for everyone. Learn more about Car Donation and charities it supports.

  18. OK, the program is over and now you all can go and worry about something else. The reality is that this was only a trickle in the whole government spending package. We gave more to the scumbag banks for their performance bonuses. The benefit was not to the environment in the case for Cash for Clunkers, true, but the consumers did benefit and it did stir interest in the car markets.

    The way I see it all of you who are complaining about the spending on this program, but if you were in Michigan and out of work and the company you worked with came back to you and said it is time to get back to work because “Cash for Clunkers” cleared out the inventory then you wouldn’t be complaining. Have some empathy for folks who need the help. You want to fight something then fight the wasted money on government contracts and defense spending.

  19. Mark,

    The article also makes reference to “using politics to pay people … to hold crops off the market, or to produce ethanol that may use more energy in production than it adds when burned…”

    C4C is not a unique act of “government charity” (aka, wealth redistribution by use of force). It typically happens when the federal government considers itself an impartial arbitrator of economic problems, when in fact the >$3 trillion, 20-25% of GDP bureaucracy is saddled in special, misaligned interests, **that actually contribute to or exacerbate economic problems**.

    Was it charity to take $3 billion of U.S. employers’/job creators’ money and give it to auto manufacturers **all over the world**? Now those job creators might have created jobs overseas so it could have been a wash, but most of them have and would create jobs in the U.S. if they weren’t punished tax-wise in many cases for doing so.

    Was it charity to deprive independent car mechanics of customers who have been occasionally repairing those “worthless” clunkers?

    Was it charity in the Great Depression when the government *destroyed* pigs in order to raise prices while thousands starved?

    Ian would argue that it wasn’t all bad because the pigs parts could have been feed to other animals or used as fertilizer. But try that one on someone who hasn’t eaten for a few days.

    Ian,

    C4C is destruction of assets, i.e. destruction of wealth. Period. If a car is just as valuable as its parts, then why pay people good wages ($80k/yr + benefits) to assemble them in the first place? Yes, it’s not a complete loss, but how valuable is a part that only works in a car that the government discourages people to drive? The raw materials are valuable, but not nearly as valuable as they are in a working vehicle that takes someone to their job everyday.

    Broken glass can be recycled or sold to artists, but you’re not going to suggest we all break our windows to jump start the economy, are you?

  20. Hi Matt!

    Why don’t you shut your pie-hole, and let me make my arguments for myself? Thanks!

    You ‘broken windowers’ still don’t get it. I think I can safely say that no one would start breaking the windows in their house just because the government offered them a subsidy.

    However, if you were already thinking about replacing the old, drafty windows in your house with new, efficient ones, an incentive might make you do it a little sooner. Hey wait! That happens all the time, yet strangely this does not result in people running around screaming “Hurr, wealth redistributionz! Socializm!! ZOMG!”

    And that’s what CfC is. It is precisely analogous to a state or federal incentive for buying new energy efficient windows. And please don’t come back with “but they don’t make you break your windows to replace them” because that will make you look really, really stupid. And I hate to see that happen.

    -Ian

  21. Wow, trolls on FEE now. Maybe I’ll just stick to the main articles.

  22. “CASH FOR CLUNKERS IS A LOSER”?

    Hardly! My trade-in was worth $500 prior to this program. I gained $3,500. Makes it a winner in my book!

  23. Ian,

    I apologize for putting words in your mouth, but at least acknowledge that governments have done some pretty horrible things in the name of economic problem solving.

    As for the efficient window subsidy, do you have any idea how many old, drafty windows there are out there? If efficiency was the ultimate goal, the government could go door to door writing checks for each old, drafty window, just as it could have continued the cash for clunkers program indefinitely.

    Why didn’t they continue C4C until all cars were efficient? Or why not go door to door writing checks to replace drafty windows?

    BECAUSE THAT TAKES LOTS OF MONEY. Money that can either be printed, or taken from someone else. And there are administrative costs that USUALLY run over budget. Now if you think C4C was an efficient subsidy, ignoring the fraud involved, exhausting funds MONTHS before it had planned to, then why doesn’t government subsidize all economic activity? Or just set prices? Wouldn’t that be efficient? No, because there’s no way to know how the millions of products and inputs out there are valued by the millions of market participants.

    The government subsidizes mortgages. Now, one out of three are under water because easy credit and tax breaks means more demand for houses than there otherwise would be. The government subsidizes farm prices and it mostly benefits multi-billion dollar companies, and we pay more for groceries. So, the argument that the government already subsidizes a lot of things and no one complains is not a good argument for more subsidies, or that it’s not “Hurr, wealth redistributionz! Socializm!! ZOMG!”

    Matt

  24. [...] via Cash for Clunkers is a Loser | Foundation for Economic Education. [...]

  25. Ian, I am afraid it is you who misunderstands the broken-window story. For every clunker bought, there is $3,500 or $4,500 taken from the private sector that can’t be used for anything else. Or there’s monetary expansion that will reduce our purchasing power. That loss is the cost of the program.

  26. “The study by Knittel cited in this article is deeply flawed, as it assumes all the old cars traded in were operating at the fuel efficiency they had when they were new.”

    Ian, please explain. Knittel used the mpg figure reported by CNN for the average the clunker traded in. “According to a recent CNN report, the average mileage of clunkers was 16.3 mpg;” How do you know that the cars’ original mpg was assumed?

    It is also worth noting that “numerous reports suggest that consumers are
    trading vehicles that were not being used” (Knittel). He assumed 12,000 miles a year.

  27. Hell, why should anyone have to make difficult decisions regarding whether to keep an old car running or economize to save enough for a new car when they can just use funds stolen from others? Everyone is hereby ordered to love socialism, upon penalty of being judged racist.

  28. Ian wrote:

    “Furthermore, the fallacy of the broken window assumes an involuntary loss of property which requires an expenditure to replace it, resulting in not being able to spend that money on other things.”

    -Isn’t this precisely the role that taxes play in this situation?

    “This is different, it just means that people that were planning to get rid of their old cars anyway are doing it earlier than they had planned.”

    -And the baker intended to replace his window in the broken window parable… Simply because he may have planned to replace it some day far off in the future does not mean that the principle is any different.

  29. I’d probably say that the bigger issue in my mind is how our int’l manipulations, going back to the regime change of the democratically elected iranian gov’t of Mossadegh in ’53, have long been geared at keeping the cost of oil for the US lower and making “clunkers” seem economical in the first place…

    If we had truly accepted the laws of supply and demand, there would have been a lot less clunkers and more public transportation in the first place and we never would have sold WMDs to nice arab “moderates” like Saddam Hussein.

    dlw

  30. If we had truly accepted the laws of supply and demand, there would have been a lot less clunkers and more public transportation in the first place

    Yeah, there’s been a huuuuuge demand for more public transport in the U.S.

  31. “The study by Knittel cited in this article is deeply flawed, as it assumes all the old cars traded in were operating at the fuel efficiency they had when they were new. This makes the study, and therefore the claims of this article about carbon cost, bogus.

    I’m sure the Windstar that Charlie Pyles described above wasn’t getting anything like its EPA rating, with a bum transmission, exhaust system, and who knows what else.”

    …So the CFC program can use optimum EPA ratings to evaluate who gets the cash, but Kimmel can’t use the same numbers to evaluate how well the cash is being spent? That’s not flawed, that’s hypocritical.

    And what’s my consolation when I buy an affordable, efficient car and maintain it, while I subsidize the Charlies of the USA buying shitty cars? Why do I have to buy my car AND his?

  32. This debate is unreal. I do not think the C4C will in the long run be economically sound. I wonder how many will be behind on new car loans in a few months, not to mention more expensive auto insurance, from purchases they otherwise would not have made. It wont do squat for the CO2 “polution”. Charlie, you had a good run with the van. Why should I help buy you a new car?
    The real question is where in the name of Davy Crockett is the constitutional authority for this?
    The slow seduction of socialist “gimme mine” thinking will be our undoing.

  33. I though I agree in general with Bastiat’s parable applied to cash for clunkers, you have to agree that not all of the “wealth” represented by the cars is destroyed. The metal, etc. that will be recycled probably accounts for a significant (although certainly less than 50%) of the destroyed value of the cars. All in all though, poor policy, both on social and economic basis.

  34. Since a base of vehicles would have been sold without C4C, Edmunds suggests the govt subsidy to move the marginal purchase ahead a few months ranged from $23K to $40K per. The rest of the mostly poor planet must be amused or incensed at Obama and Dems destroying perfectly serviceable vehicles. Total insanity

  35. We did not raise the national GDP. C4C is like taking a bucket with holes (govt costs, advertising) in it and removing water from the deep end of the pool and pouring it into the shallow end.

  36. It seems to me that most of the folks who oppose CFC are used car dealers & people who didn’t have a clunker to trade. I did and here’s my story. I’m only sorry I didn’t hear of the program before spending $1800. to repair frame rot.

    You see, I had a 2001 SUV that was bought from a “fine upstanding”car dealer only 3 years ago. Last February the frame fractured at the point where the rear suspension attatches. Since we still owed a little money on the car, & neither the manufacturer nor dealer wanted to help in any way, we had a frame shop repair the damage at a cost of $1800.

    I filed a complaint with NHTSA about the defect & found that they are investigating the situation already as there have been several failures in the past year.

    It was at the NHTSA web site, while checking on the progress of the investigation, that I first learned about CFC. I followed the progress of the bill, and a week before the “Official Start” of CFC found a dealer who was doing early deals on CFC . We traded our 16mpg rated (13.7mpg actual avg.) frame rotted, unsafe gas guzzler for a small wagon that was rated at 29mpg but has been getting 34.5 mpg.

    We additionally have since that day, purchased a roof rack & kayak attatchments from a boat dealer and have enjoyed a couple trips to the seashore now thatwe can do it without re-financing the house to buy gas.

    Is CFC a winner ? For my family it has been. It’s about time that a program came along that can help a working family for a change. Thank You all for your help.

  37. [...] excellent articles have been written demonstrating the nonsense of the cash for clunkers program, so I do not want to [...]

  38. Why has this program spurred the auto industry to build more cars? It seems that those new cars will be shippped to the dealerships where they’ll…just sit. Is there anyone our there ready to buy? Anyone who was thinking about trading in a “clunker” within the next year or so probably just did. Also, how many new car loans do we now have resulting from that 700,000? The government seems to be encouraging consumers to do what they do: spend money you don’t have.

  39. Wow even when a program works you have the ignorant nay-sayers who because of personal dislike of the President are always looking for the negative. This country is too rich to not invest something back into it. Stop your silly whining and be grateful we can do these things. Start complaining that we have pledged $940 mil to Palestine to rebuild the terroist nation. Don’t see any posts for that intelligent people.

  40. [...] the costs of the reducing carbon dioxide from cash for clunkers. Mercatus scholar Bruce Yandle summarizes the methodology and the findings: “Knittel made plausible assumptions about the average life [...]

  41. [...] look at the oil saved. Saving oil is a good thing right? How much do you think this program saved? From FEE: Taken together the average fuel economy of vehicles traded in was 15.8 miles per gallon, while the [...]

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