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	<title>Comments on: Elinor Ostrom’s Nobel Prize in Economics</title>
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		<title>By: Lawrence J. Kramer</title>
		<link>http://www.fee.org/articles/elinor-ostroms-2009-nobel-prize/comment-page-1/#comment-32913</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence J. Kramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this analysis a tad too &quot;big-tent.&quot;  Any given problem of coordination must be solved by collective action.  The only question is what form that coordination will take.  The hierarchy that I see, in order of libertarian appeal, is (i) a voluntary abstention based on honor, (ii) private, contractual rules, (iii) democratic government, and (iv) republican government.  Of, these, however, it seems to me that only #1 - the one least likely to work - is the only one that a libertarian can like.  But that&#039;s because I would distinguish between a libertarian and a government-phobe.

My libertarian streak manifests itself in wanting to be free to do the wrong thing so that I can choose to do the right thing.  What is the point of character if you have no bad choices to eschew?  I want to be allowed to swim where it&#039;s foolhardy - I&#039;m grateful for the warnings, but only the warnings - so that I can decide NOT to swim where it&#039;s foolhardy.  And I want to not pollute the air because it&#039;s right not to pollute the air.  

But I also want the air not to be polluted, and it appears that only coordinated, collective action can achieve that result.  So I must weigh my somewhat narcissistic desire to decide for myself against the risk of getting emphysema because others don&#039;t share my self-control.  (It&#039;s self-control, not self-governance, that I believe libertarians want to practice.)  If I decide that collective action is required, I have, to my mind, no libertarian stake in defining HOW it will be coordinated.  I have a practical stake - I may want local control, I may want control by a body to which I may be elected, or to which I will have access - but these are political as opposed to philosophical matters.  As soon as I say that I will abide by ANY compulsory rule that I cannot veto and from which I cannot opt out, I am surrendering my liberarian desideratum for a communal one that I value more highly.  

What remains for the libertarian is the scope of delegation.  I would rather delegate authority to make air-pollution rules to a responsive air-pollution rule-maker than have that authority arise as a result of some broader delegation of power to a more generally empowered government.  That, I think, is what Dr. Isom is driving at: governments just aren&#039;t as good at making rules as private users are.  

Ideally - but not optimally in the real world - the enumerated powers of the government would be granted on a case by case basis as the need arose.  First we&#039;d see if a private solution can be reached, then we&#039;d delegate rulemaking to the most narrowly drawn committee as would get the job done.  Unfortunately, so many things need coordinating that we&#039;d be forever trying to figure out who should decide what.  And so we get a sitting government.  Of course, the problem is that a sitting government is like a standing army: it doesn&#039;t want to just do nothing.  It has a hammer, and so every problem looks to it like a nail.

The point of this ramble, though, is that the train leaves Libertarian Station when the issue becomes too complicated or communally applicable - like air quality - for users of the commons to resolve by private rule-making.  From there on, we&#039;re talking engineering, not philosophy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this analysis a tad too &#8220;big-tent.&#8221;  Any given problem of coordination must be solved by collective action.  The only question is what form that coordination will take.  The hierarchy that I see, in order of libertarian appeal, is (i) a voluntary abstention based on honor, (ii) private, contractual rules, (iii) democratic government, and (iv) republican government.  Of, these, however, it seems to me that only #1 &#8211; the one least likely to work &#8211; is the only one that a libertarian can like.  But that&#8217;s because I would distinguish between a libertarian and a government-phobe.</p>
<p>My libertarian streak manifests itself in wanting to be free to do the wrong thing so that I can choose to do the right thing.  What is the point of character if you have no bad choices to eschew?  I want to be allowed to swim where it&#8217;s foolhardy &#8211; I&#8217;m grateful for the warnings, but only the warnings &#8211; so that I can decide NOT to swim where it&#8217;s foolhardy.  And I want to not pollute the air because it&#8217;s right not to pollute the air.  </p>
<p>But I also want the air not to be polluted, and it appears that only coordinated, collective action can achieve that result.  So I must weigh my somewhat narcissistic desire to decide for myself against the risk of getting emphysema because others don&#8217;t share my self-control.  (It&#8217;s self-control, not self-governance, that I believe libertarians want to practice.)  If I decide that collective action is required, I have, to my mind, no libertarian stake in defining HOW it will be coordinated.  I have a practical stake &#8211; I may want local control, I may want control by a body to which I may be elected, or to which I will have access &#8211; but these are political as opposed to philosophical matters.  As soon as I say that I will abide by ANY compulsory rule that I cannot veto and from which I cannot opt out, I am surrendering my liberarian desideratum for a communal one that I value more highly.  </p>
<p>What remains for the libertarian is the scope of delegation.  I would rather delegate authority to make air-pollution rules to a responsive air-pollution rule-maker than have that authority arise as a result of some broader delegation of power to a more generally empowered government.  That, I think, is what Dr. Isom is driving at: governments just aren&#8217;t as good at making rules as private users are.  </p>
<p>Ideally &#8211; but not optimally in the real world &#8211; the enumerated powers of the government would be granted on a case by case basis as the need arose.  First we&#8217;d see if a private solution can be reached, then we&#8217;d delegate rulemaking to the most narrowly drawn committee as would get the job done.  Unfortunately, so many things need coordinating that we&#8217;d be forever trying to figure out who should decide what.  And so we get a sitting government.  Of course, the problem is that a sitting government is like a standing army: it doesn&#8217;t want to just do nothing.  It has a hammer, and so every problem looks to it like a nail.</p>
<p>The point of this ramble, though, is that the train leaves Libertarian Station when the issue becomes too complicated or communally applicable &#8211; like air quality &#8211; for users of the commons to resolve by private rule-making.  From there on, we&#8217;re talking engineering, not philosophy.</p>
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		<title>By: John McGinnis</title>
		<link>http://www.fee.org/articles/elinor-ostroms-2009-nobel-prize/comment-page-1/#comment-10093</link>
		<dc:creator>John McGinnis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Dr. Boettke has done a marvelous job at elucidating the important contributions of Professor Omstrom to the workings of liberty.  I would take issue with the comment of Vincent Ostrom referenced in the essay:

&quot;In that work Vincent asks what are the preconditions for a self-governing citizenry. He answers that a self-governing society must be composed of citizens fully capable of embracing the “cares of thinking and the troubles of living.”&quot;

I do not know what &quot;cares of thinking and the troubles of living&quot; are, but it seems to me that all one needs for a self-governing citizenry is an ethic of respect for other people&#039;s property and liberty.  In other words, adherence to the 8th Commandment (irrespective of one&#039;s religious beliefs) will take us much more efficiently to a self-governing citizenry than any other approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Dr. Boettke has done a marvelous job at elucidating the important contributions of Professor Omstrom to the workings of liberty.  I would take issue with the comment of Vincent Ostrom referenced in the essay:</p>
<p>&#8220;In that work Vincent asks what are the preconditions for a self-governing citizenry. He answers that a self-governing society must be composed of citizens fully capable of embracing the “cares of thinking and the troubles of living.”&#8221;</p>
<p>I do not know what &#8220;cares of thinking and the troubles of living&#8221; are, but it seems to me that all one needs for a self-governing citizenry is an ethic of respect for other people&#8217;s property and liberty.  In other words, adherence to the 8th Commandment (irrespective of one&#8217;s religious beliefs) will take us much more efficiently to a self-governing citizenry than any other approach.</p>
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