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		<title>By: diamond services</title>
		<link>http://www.fee.org/articles/not-so-fast/fallacy-economics-coercion/comment-page-1/#comment-4354</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;diamond services...&lt;/strong&gt;

17 Cruise ships visited Aruba this year in October, which is 44. 4 percent less. The number of passengers was 25. 858, 45. 2 percent less. Up till November in 2007, 316 cruise ships visited Aruba and the number of passengers was approximately 474. 000,...</description>
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<p>17 Cruise ships visited Aruba this year in October, which is 44. 4 percent less. The number of passengers was 25. 858, 45. 2 percent less. Up till November in 2007, 316 cruise ships visited Aruba and the number of passengers was approximately 474. 000,&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Free insurance</title>
		<link>http://www.fee.org/articles/not-so-fast/fallacy-economics-coercion/comment-page-1/#comment-4172</link>
		<dc:creator>Free insurance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Free insurance...&lt;/strong&gt;

Once you have obtained a co- signer and you have been approved for a private or alternative student loan you need to be wise about the amount of money you are going to borrow. Make sure you talk to your financial aid advisor and find out exactly what w...</description>
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<p>Once you have obtained a co- signer and you have been approved for a private or alternative student loan you need to be wise about the amount of money you are going to borrow. Make sure you talk to your financial aid advisor and find out exactly what w&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: New Loans</title>
		<link>http://www.fee.org/articles/not-so-fast/fallacy-economics-coercion/comment-page-1/#comment-4039</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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TechCrunch observes that Prosper and other peer- to- peer lenders like Zopa and Lending Club may turn out to be collateral damage from the credit crisis....</description>
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<p>TechCrunch observes that Prosper and other peer- to- peer lenders like Zopa and Lending Club may turn out to be collateral damage from the credit crisis&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence W. Reed</title>
		<link>http://www.fee.org/articles/not-so-fast/fallacy-economics-coercion/comment-page-1/#comment-1766</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence W. Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the very best explanations of the origins of the current financial crisis is Thomas Wood&#039;s new book, &quot;Meltdown.&quot; I strongly recommend it. He shows conclusively and persuasively that coercive intervention in various forms from Fed policy to congressional action produced the crisis and that Austrian trade cycle theory perfectly meshes with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the very best explanations of the origins of the current financial crisis is Thomas Wood&#8217;s new book, &#8220;Meltdown.&#8221; I strongly recommend it. He shows conclusively and persuasively that coercive intervention in various forms from Fed policy to congressional action produced the crisis and that Austrian trade cycle theory perfectly meshes with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greed is a subjective term that ought to find itself on the dung heap of historical stupidity.

One man&#039;s greed is another man&#039;s living wage.

Instead, understand that no person is victim to another when both are complicit in their personal choices which lead to such financial crisis.

You cannot absolve someone of the choice

You cannot absolve someone of his accountability (owning his choice)

You cannot absolve someone of his responsibility (ability to respond to the choice)

Don&#039;t EVER make a choice for which are cannot or are incapable of responding to

In EVERY choice - live your life and make your choices at no cost to others without their consent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greed is a subjective term that ought to find itself on the dung heap of historical stupidity.</p>
<p>One man&#8217;s greed is another man&#8217;s living wage.</p>
<p>Instead, understand that no person is victim to another when both are complicit in their personal choices which lead to such financial crisis.</p>
<p>You cannot absolve someone of the choice</p>
<p>You cannot absolve someone of his accountability (owning his choice)</p>
<p>You cannot absolve someone of his responsibility (ability to respond to the choice)</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t EVER make a choice for which are cannot or are incapable of responding to</p>
<p>In EVERY choice &#8211; live your life and make your choices at no cost to others without their consent</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Keller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 04:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the government \&quot;coerces\&quot; money to be lent, there have to be people willing to borrow the money. Consider a loan as a conventional good. The price of a mortgage is then the interest that is paid on the borrowed money. Once the lenders (mortgage lenders, credit card companies, banks, etc.) ran out of \&quot;prime\&quot; (people they were very confident could pay back loans) candidates they had to lower lending standards to attract more borrowers. Like a new Mercedes S550 priced at $35,000, lower price means more people are willing to buy it. In this case the product is credit. So instead of lending institutions stopping their lending, they lowered the Interest Rate (Price) of borrowing money. Now, in order to stimulate more borrowing from consumers, interest rates would have to be dropped again. Luckily bankers cannot do this because investors are unwilling to take on the risk of such \&#039;sub-sub prime\&#039; mortgages. Making these new loans would likely create a bigger problem down the road. I don\&#039;t know how to insert hyperlinks, but copy and paste http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0zEXdDO5JU into the browser. It is very instructional on this matter.

Home ownership is not an American right, as some government officials seem to think it is. If economics by coercion were not used, people would be forced to *gasp* save money to buy their houses. In the short run this would not stimulate home sales (which were over-stimulated to begin with), but in the long run more Americans would own homes and we would all be better off. You can count on the fact that with falling price, supply and demand will once again meet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the government \&quot;coerces\&quot; money to be lent, there have to be people willing to borrow the money. Consider a loan as a conventional good. The price of a mortgage is then the interest that is paid on the borrowed money. Once the lenders (mortgage lenders, credit card companies, banks, etc.) ran out of \&quot;prime\&quot; (people they were very confident could pay back loans) candidates they had to lower lending standards to attract more borrowers. Like a new Mercedes S550 priced at $35,000, lower price means more people are willing to buy it. In this case the product is credit. So instead of lending institutions stopping their lending, they lowered the Interest Rate (Price) of borrowing money. Now, in order to stimulate more borrowing from consumers, interest rates would have to be dropped again. Luckily bankers cannot do this because investors are unwilling to take on the risk of such \&#8217;sub-sub prime\&#8217; mortgages. Making these new loans would likely create a bigger problem down the road. I don\&#8217;t know how to insert hyperlinks, but copy and paste <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0zEXdDO5JU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0zEXdDO5JU</a> into the browser. It is very instructional on this matter.</p>
<p>Home ownership is not an American right, as some government officials seem to think it is. If economics by coercion were not used, people would be forced to *gasp* save money to buy their houses. In the short run this would not stimulate home sales (which were over-stimulated to begin with), but in the long run more Americans would own homes and we would all be better off. You can count on the fact that with falling price, supply and demand will once again meet.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Keller</title>
		<link>http://www.fee.org/articles/not-so-fast/fallacy-economics-coercion/comment-page-1/#comment-1764</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the government &quot;coerces\&quot; money to be lent, there have to be people willing to borrow the money. Consider a loan as a conventional good. The price of a mortgage is then the interest that is paid on the borrowed money. Once the lenders (mortgage lenders, credit card companies, banks, etc.) ran out of \&quot;prime\&quot; (people they were very confident could pay back loans) candidates they had to lower lending standards to attract more borrowers. Like a new Mercedes S550 priced at $35,000, lower price means more people are willing to buy it. In this case the product is credit. So instead of lending institutions stopping their lending, they lowered the Interest Rate (Price) of borrowing money. Now, in order to stimulate more borrowing from consumers, interest rates would have to be dropped again. Luckily bankers cannot do this because investors are unwilling to take on the risk of such \&#039;sub-sub prime\&#039; mortgages. Making these new loans would likely create a bigger problem down the road. I don\&#039;t know how to insert hyperlinks, but copy and paste http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0zEXdDO5JU into the browser. It is very instructional on this matter.

Home ownership is not an American right, as some government officials seem to think it is. If economics by coercion were not used, people would be forced to *gasp* save money to buy their houses. In the short run this would not stimulate home sales (which were over-stimulated to begin with), but in the long run more Americans would own homes and we would all be better off. You can count on the fact that with falling price, supply and demand will once again meet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the government &#8220;coerces\&quot; money to be lent, there have to be people willing to borrow the money. Consider a loan as a conventional good. The price of a mortgage is then the interest that is paid on the borrowed money. Once the lenders (mortgage lenders, credit card companies, banks, etc.) ran out of \&quot;prime\&quot; (people they were very confident could pay back loans) candidates they had to lower lending standards to attract more borrowers. Like a new Mercedes S550 priced at $35,000, lower price means more people are willing to buy it. In this case the product is credit. So instead of lending institutions stopping their lending, they lowered the Interest Rate (Price) of borrowing money. Now, in order to stimulate more borrowing from consumers, interest rates would have to be dropped again. Luckily bankers cannot do this because investors are unwilling to take on the risk of such \&#8217;sub-sub prime\&#8217; mortgages. Making these new loans would likely create a bigger problem down the road. I don\&#8217;t know how to insert hyperlinks, but copy and paste <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0zEXdDO5JU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0zEXdDO5JU</a> into the browser. It is very instructional on this matter.</p>
<p>Home ownership is not an American right, as some government officials seem to think it is. If economics by coercion were not used, people would be forced to *gasp* save money to buy their houses. In the short run this would not stimulate home sales (which were over-stimulated to begin with), but in the long run more Americans would own homes and we would all be better off. You can count on the fact that with falling price, supply and demand will once again meet.</p>
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		<title>By: Association for Economic Improvement NZ</title>
		<link>http://www.fee.org/articles/not-so-fast/fallacy-economics-coercion/comment-page-1/#comment-1763</link>
		<dc:creator>Association for Economic Improvement NZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The belief in free markets is not a religious experience. It is observation that no-one has ever been able to correctly interpret the myriad signals of an economy and predict the consequences of intervention. Free market antagonists humbly acknowledge their inadequacy. Interventionists are arrogant in their deity. Interventionists are the money-changers at the temple except they are not using their own money. They are gambling the taxpayers money. They gambled over many recent years and in 2008/2009, they lost the taxpayers money through wealth destruction.

Until a method of absolutely reliable and correct analysis is found [if ever], it is simply more efficient to let the market signals do their work. Intervention in necessary ignorance is doomed to unknowable adverse consequences [bubbles then house price collapse]. Consequences that are knowable are frequently ignored by the interventionists who expect that market participants will respond in the way the interventionists want them to respond, which is most often not the case. The credit crisis of 2008 / 2009 is the best example in the whole of history of government intervention creating unintended consequences. Encouraging and allowing private profit and yes human greed to respond to excess created dire consequences for the very people whom the government should be protecting. Bankers and mortgage brokers merely responded to signals in the market which included intervention effects. Encouraging mortgage brokers and bankers to lend to sub-primes is economic lunacy of the wealth destruction kind as we have all recently discovered. Government should limit itself to its protection function. Ignorant government interventionists caused the credit crisis and they should acknowledge it and take responsibility. Congress wants to deflect criticism that it caused the credit crisis.

[By contrast, intervention by spending on needed infrastructure is not intervention. It is business as usual albeit perhaps brought forward. Standard cost-benefit analysis is still required to validate that it is needed. ]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The belief in free markets is not a religious experience. It is observation that no-one has ever been able to correctly interpret the myriad signals of an economy and predict the consequences of intervention. Free market antagonists humbly acknowledge their inadequacy. Interventionists are arrogant in their deity. Interventionists are the money-changers at the temple except they are not using their own money. They are gambling the taxpayers money. They gambled over many recent years and in 2008/2009, they lost the taxpayers money through wealth destruction.</p>
<p>Until a method of absolutely reliable and correct analysis is found [if ever], it is simply more efficient to let the market signals do their work. Intervention in necessary ignorance is doomed to unknowable adverse consequences [bubbles then house price collapse]. Consequences that are knowable are frequently ignored by the interventionists who expect that market participants will respond in the way the interventionists want them to respond, which is most often not the case. The credit crisis of 2008 / 2009 is the best example in the whole of history of government intervention creating unintended consequences. Encouraging and allowing private profit and yes human greed to respond to excess created dire consequences for the very people whom the government should be protecting. Bankers and mortgage brokers merely responded to signals in the market which included intervention effects. Encouraging mortgage brokers and bankers to lend to sub-primes is economic lunacy of the wealth destruction kind as we have all recently discovered. Government should limit itself to its protection function. Ignorant government interventionists caused the credit crisis and they should acknowledge it and take responsibility. Congress wants to deflect criticism that it caused the credit crisis.</p>
<p>[By contrast, intervention by spending on needed infrastructure is not intervention. It is business as usual albeit perhaps brought forward. Standard cost-benefit analysis is still required to validate that it is needed. ]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I follow the logic but have a problem that I hope someone can help me resolve. You seem to be asserting that this whole failure was mandated by our government. (Which is actually believable, either by design or stupidity.) Do I have it right that subprime lending got a lot riskier after Wall Street figured out how to dissipate the risk?

If the answer to that question is yes, then it seems to me your argument isn\&#039;t holding a lot of water. I reject anything coercive or compulsory from the gov\&#039;t, but it seems to me this failure is happening because of excess, not because the CRA said home ownership was a good thing and encouraged (\&quot;coerced\&quot;) banks to be a little less risk averse (\&quot;prejudiced\&quot;) when it came to making loans to minorities and lower-income families.

I don\&#039;t see how banks hoarding taxpayer cash is acceptable, and the government is not in the business of underwriting home and auto loans. The credit market is still icy, so what\&#039;s a government to do? No one said *who* they had to lend it to, just that the money needs to be lent. What\&#039;s wrong with that?

(Hello socialism!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I follow the logic but have a problem that I hope someone can help me resolve. You seem to be asserting that this whole failure was mandated by our government. (Which is actually believable, either by design or stupidity.) Do I have it right that subprime lending got a lot riskier after Wall Street figured out how to dissipate the risk?</p>
<p>If the answer to that question is yes, then it seems to me your argument isn\&#8217;t holding a lot of water. I reject anything coercive or compulsory from the gov\&#8217;t, but it seems to me this failure is happening because of excess, not because the CRA said home ownership was a good thing and encouraged (\&quot;coerced\&quot;) banks to be a little less risk averse (\&quot;prejudiced\&quot;) when it came to making loans to minorities and lower-income families.</p>
<p>I don\&#8217;t see how banks hoarding taxpayer cash is acceptable, and the government is not in the business of underwriting home and auto loans. The credit market is still icy, so what\&#8217;s a government to do? No one said *who* they had to lend it to, just that the money needs to be lent. What\&#8217;s wrong with that?</p>
<p>(Hello socialism!)</p>
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