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		<title>By: Health Care Collectivists &#183; Believe All Things</title>
		<link>http://www.fee.org/articles/tgif/healthcare-collectivists/comment-page-1/#comment-7574</link>
		<dc:creator>Health Care Collectivists &#183; Believe All Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sheldon. “Are We Really All Healthcare Collectivists?”. 31 July 2009. Foundation for Economic Education. 2 August [...]</description>
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		<title>By: só tirando o domingo para escrever&#8230; &#171;</title>
		<link>http://www.fee.org/articles/tgif/healthcare-collectivists/comment-page-1/#comment-7520</link>
		<dc:creator>só tirando o domingo para escrever&#8230; &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Voltando ao assunto, a saúde obâmica num país como os EUA. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sheldon Richman</title>
		<link>http://www.fee.org/articles/tgif/healthcare-collectivists/comment-page-1/#comment-7492</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheldon Richman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Steve, I think what people expect is not low-cost pre-paid wellness assurance, but paid-by-someone-else wellness assurance. When employers provide the coverage, it looks as though someone other than the patient is paying either all or most of the cost. That&#039;s not true, but that&#039;s how it looks. People resent having to pay for medical care because it&#039;s supposed to be paid by someone else. The government reinforces this belief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Steve, I think what people expect is not low-cost pre-paid wellness assurance, but paid-by-someone-else wellness assurance. When employers provide the coverage, it looks as though someone other than the patient is paying either all or most of the cost. That&#8217;s not true, but that&#8217;s how it looks. People resent having to pay for medical care because it&#8217;s supposed to be paid by someone else. The government reinforces this belief.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.fee.org/articles/tgif/healthcare-collectivists/comment-page-1/#comment-7341</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheldon, thanks for the response. I too would like to see anti-trust laws erased. By the way , my health ins. is similar to Don Boudreaux&#039;. I just wish everyone had the same type ins. then people would start to be better consumers of my services. The product might start to resemble insurance. What people have been misled to believe they are entitled to is low priced, pre-paid, wellness assurance. There aint no such thing!
Even you could not imagine how many things I would do differently, and I think more efficiently, if I got the gov. off my back. I would love to compete in an open market for your business, while hoping you never have to use me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheldon, thanks for the response. I too would like to see anti-trust laws erased. By the way , my health ins. is similar to Don Boudreaux&#8217;. I just wish everyone had the same type ins. then people would start to be better consumers of my services. The product might start to resemble insurance. What people have been misled to believe they are entitled to is low priced, pre-paid, wellness assurance. There aint no such thing!<br />
Even you could not imagine how many things I would do differently, and I think more efficiently, if I got the gov. off my back. I would love to compete in an open market for your business, while hoping you never have to use me.</p>
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		<title>By: JC Ford</title>
		<link>http://www.fee.org/articles/tgif/healthcare-collectivists/comment-page-1/#comment-7337</link>
		<dc:creator>JC Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem of &quot;we&quot; is much graver than the implications found in the government/marketplace relationship. Individuals acting as such in the marketplace only works inasmuch as those individuals answer to an &quot;absolute&quot; in terms of morality.  Without contraits of the perils of greed (individually, not bureaucratically mandated), they can meet demand but cannot possibly sustain such a pace without benevolence and reinvestment, whatever that means for that business, and for that individual.

On the flip side, government cannot replace individuals making choices b/c it&#039;s individuals who make up the government!  Because, in their arrogance, they assume a top-food-chain position, absence of answering to a higher moral authority transitions into answering only to themselves, which enables this whole idea of &quot;we&quot; which is really &quot;I.&quot;

In other words, without a foundational belief that all must one day give account for their actions, both in the marketplace and in government, a society&#039;s ability to stand is ever-weakening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem of &#8220;we&#8221; is much graver than the implications found in the government/marketplace relationship. Individuals acting as such in the marketplace only works inasmuch as those individuals answer to an &#8220;absolute&#8221; in terms of morality.  Without contraits of the perils of greed (individually, not bureaucratically mandated), they can meet demand but cannot possibly sustain such a pace without benevolence and reinvestment, whatever that means for that business, and for that individual.</p>
<p>On the flip side, government cannot replace individuals making choices b/c it&#8217;s individuals who make up the government!  Because, in their arrogance, they assume a top-food-chain position, absence of answering to a higher moral authority transitions into answering only to themselves, which enables this whole idea of &#8220;we&#8221; which is really &#8220;I.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, without a foundational belief that all must one day give account for their actions, both in the marketplace and in government, a society&#8217;s ability to stand is ever-weakening.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheldon Richman</title>
		<link>http://www.fee.org/articles/tgif/healthcare-collectivists/comment-page-1/#comment-7321</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheldon Richman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Steve, amen to the commenter who said everyone should exempt from antitrust. It&#039;s bad law, based as it is on a misunderstanding of the dynamism of the market process. Insurers were exempted because states heavily regulate them. In fact, the regulatory web constitutes an insurance cartel within each state. What&#039;s the point of applying antitrust to a government-facilitated cartel? Just end the cartel!

As for nongroup insurance, it&#039;s a myth that individual coverage must be a bad deal. See Don Boudreaux&#039;s post &lt;a href=&quot;http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/health-care-lies.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Also, any restrictions on the formation of private groups for the purpose of buying insurance should be repealed. Companies do compete at the individual level, but demand is constrained by tax laws that favor employer-based insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Steve, amen to the commenter who said everyone should exempt from antitrust. It&#8217;s bad law, based as it is on a misunderstanding of the dynamism of the market process. Insurers were exempted because states heavily regulate them. In fact, the regulatory web constitutes an insurance cartel within each state. What&#8217;s the point of applying antitrust to a government-facilitated cartel? Just end the cartel!</p>
<p>As for nongroup insurance, it&#8217;s a myth that individual coverage must be a bad deal. See Don Boudreaux&#8217;s post <a href="http://cafehayek.com/2009/07/health-care-lies.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Also, any restrictions on the formation of private groups for the purpose of buying insurance should be repealed. Companies do compete at the individual level, but demand is constrained by tax laws that favor employer-based insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: James Anderson Merritt</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Anderson Merritt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a wonderful essay. Thank you, Mr. Richman, for exceeding your established high standards of exposition to produce this gem, which I am quoting in postings of my own and recommending to every one of my acquaintances who is interested in the health care debate.

If more people would simply take a few minutes to seriously consider the points you raise in this essay, the national health care debate would be immeasurably enriched. &quot;We&quot; can fix health care if &quot;we&quot; are simply left to make our own individual decisions, without the heavy hand of government second-guessing or constraining our choices.

We need to pass a law that recognizes a person&#039;s absolute ownership of his own body and mind, and forbidding government usurpation. If we could just get that through Congress, we could cause many of the other dominoes of our dysfunctional health care system to fall, leaving us all much better off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a wonderful essay. Thank you, Mr. Richman, for exceeding your established high standards of exposition to produce this gem, which I am quoting in postings of my own and recommending to every one of my acquaintances who is interested in the health care debate.</p>
<p>If more people would simply take a few minutes to seriously consider the points you raise in this essay, the national health care debate would be immeasurably enriched. &#8220;We&#8221; can fix health care if &#8220;we&#8221; are simply left to make our own individual decisions, without the heavy hand of government second-guessing or constraining our choices.</p>
<p>We need to pass a law that recognizes a person&#8217;s absolute ownership of his own body and mind, and forbidding government usurpation. If we could just get that through Congress, we could cause many of the other dominoes of our dysfunctional health care system to fall, leaving us all much better off.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron Martens</title>
		<link>http://www.fee.org/articles/tgif/healthcare-collectivists/comment-page-1/#comment-7275</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron Martens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 06:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Kent who wonders &quot;why there is demand for such extraordinary and expensive health care in the last weeks of life?&quot;. The answer to that question has little to do with our view of dying but more to do with the pricing of health care and who pays for it. The word &quot;demand&quot; in economics refers to the quantity demanded in relation to the sacrifice required to obtain a good. The demand for virtually anything is inversely related to that sacrifice. If we can convice others to pay for something, we demand more because the sacrifice is less.  Quite simple.

When we make our own medical decisions based on the sacrifices we are willing to incur, no so-called line needs to be drawn by anyone else but ourselves, and that as the song goes &quot;ain&#039;t nobody&#039;s business but my own&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Kent who wonders &#8220;why there is demand for such extraordinary and expensive health care in the last weeks of life?&#8221;. The answer to that question has little to do with our view of dying but more to do with the pricing of health care and who pays for it. The word &#8220;demand&#8221; in economics refers to the quantity demanded in relation to the sacrifice required to obtain a good. The demand for virtually anything is inversely related to that sacrifice. If we can convice others to pay for something, we demand more because the sacrifice is less.  Quite simple.</p>
<p>When we make our own medical decisions based on the sacrifices we are willing to incur, no so-called line needs to be drawn by anyone else but ourselves, and that as the song goes &#8220;ain&#8217;t nobody&#8217;s business but my own&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://www.fee.org/articles/tgif/healthcare-collectivists/comment-page-1/#comment-7255</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 04:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only we could do something about being carbon based, mortal beings. Certainly we can do something about that, we are the richest county on earth, we put a man on the moon, we are Americans, we can do better than this.  I think we need a discussion about why politicians succeed in their collectivist efforts.  Mr. Richman is, no doubt, correct that the removal of natural pricing constraints is a factor, but beneath that factor is another -- a denial of our human condition and a fear of death and discomfort.  Why is there a demand for such extraordinary and expensive health care in the last weeks of life?  Why  does there seem to be a consensus that growing old is a disease or a smorgasbord of diseases that require medical attention and treatment?  Like so many questions health care seems to be one of line drawing, but we are seemingly unable to determine where the line should be drawn and so behave as though no line can or should be drawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only we could do something about being carbon based, mortal beings. Certainly we can do something about that, we are the richest county on earth, we put a man on the moon, we are Americans, we can do better than this.  I think we need a discussion about why politicians succeed in their collectivist efforts.  Mr. Richman is, no doubt, correct that the removal of natural pricing constraints is a factor, but beneath that factor is another &#8212; a denial of our human condition and a fear of death and discomfort.  Why is there a demand for such extraordinary and expensive health care in the last weeks of life?  Why  does there seem to be a consensus that growing old is a disease or a smorgasbord of diseases that require medical attention and treatment?  Like so many questions health care seems to be one of line drawing, but we are seemingly unable to determine where the line should be drawn and so behave as though no line can or should be drawn.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Bowland</title>
		<link>http://www.fee.org/articles/tgif/healthcare-collectivists/comment-page-1/#comment-7190</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Bowland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely done Mr. Richman.  BTW, in response to Dr. Steve, wouldn&#039;t it be great if everyone were exempt from antitrust laws?

In regards to health care, a quote from former Libertarian politician Harry Browne comes to mind.
“The government is great at breaking your leg, handing you a crutch, and saying ‘You see, without me you couldn&#039;t walk.&#039;”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely done Mr. Richman.  BTW, in response to Dr. Steve, wouldn&#8217;t it be great if everyone were exempt from antitrust laws?</p>
<p>In regards to health care, a quote from former Libertarian politician Harry Browne comes to mind.<br />
“The government is great at breaking your leg, handing you a crutch, and saying ‘You see, without me you couldn&#8217;t walk.&#8217;”</p>
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		<title>By: Are We Really All Healthcare Collectivists Now? &#171; thak&#8217;s cool links</title>
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		<dc:creator>Are We Really All Healthcare Collectivists Now? &#171; thak&#8217;s cool links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Foundation for Economic Education » Are We Really All Healthcare Collectivists Now? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dr. Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheldon, good article. I have two questions. 
1) I think that one of the limitations on insurance choices is the &quot;group&quot; plans. This is encouraged by the tax law favoring employer provided insurance. Why would insurance companies be encouraged to offer competative individual plans if they can sell one or two sizes fit all group plans? This limits the incentive to provide coverage for the high risk population as well. If companies were encouraged to compete at the individual level, without mandated coverage minimum standards, the market would take care of problems. Care to respond?
2) Radio talk shows are playing Nancy Pelosi talking about insurance companies being exempt from anit-trust law. What is she talking about? (I recognize explaining what Speaker Pelosi is talking about is an unfair request of you or anyone.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheldon, good article. I have two questions.<br />
1) I think that one of the limitations on insurance choices is the &#8220;group&#8221; plans. This is encouraged by the tax law favoring employer provided insurance. Why would insurance companies be encouraged to offer competative individual plans if they can sell one or two sizes fit all group plans? This limits the incentive to provide coverage for the high risk population as well. If companies were encouraged to compete at the individual level, without mandated coverage minimum standards, the market would take care of problems. Care to respond?<br />
2) Radio talk shows are playing Nancy Pelosi talking about insurance companies being exempt from anit-trust law. What is she talking about? (I recognize explaining what Speaker Pelosi is talking about is an unfair request of you or anyone.)</p>
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		<title>By: TGIF: Are We Really All Healthcare Collectivists Now? &#124; Anything Peaceful</title>
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		<dc:creator>TGIF: Are We Really All Healthcare Collectivists Now? &#124; Anything Peaceful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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